Boise inks deal with UT Martin in 2013

I find your logic to be a bit confusing on this one, twodawgs, which seems unusual,  you normally are much more reasoned.

I think the 2009 Sugar Bowl is a classic example of the excuse making that so many fans of "elite" schools make when they go out and lay an egg in a game.  First, this is the first and perhaps the only game in history where the loss of an offensive lineman, is given as a justification for a humiliating loss.  And Andre Smith was suspended because of bad behavior, mind you, it isn't like he was injured.  Geez, it's been 3 years, SEC fans, for once stand up and take it like men.  Your team was out-coached, out-played, and defeated by a team that WAS BETTER THAN YOU.  To continue to carp, years later, whine, and try to make it all a fluke is way beneath you, twodawgs.

Sure, if the Utah/Alabama game was the only one, maybe one could argue a fluke.  But the cold hard facts say otherwise.  In six such games, the nonAQ team has won in five of them!  One game, maybe a bad bounce, but it's hard to call a 31-17 smack down that was never in doubt from the opening kickoff a close game.  The truth is the opposite of what you good people want to believe, I will say it slowly.

In fact, I would postulate that in that particular season, all three top nonAQ's, Boise, TCU, and Utah would have most likely done the same.

Oh please, enough of the whining.  If the greatest coach in college football, Nick Saban, can't get a team of the finest players in America to get up for a game in a national BCS bowl, then what is he doing coaching?  Could it be that they just plain old got beat by a better team?  Oh Lord, can't have that can we?

The same must be said for Boise's many high profile victories.  Sure, the 2007 Oklahoma game could be argued as lucky, even though Boise dominated 3/4 of the game, only to see OU make a furious comeback and almost win.  But all of the other big Boise wins have been in games in which they won solidly, leading for most of the game, with solid play on both sides of the ball. 

The evidence strongly suggests that the best of the nonAQ schools, when given an opportunity to play a top AQ school on a level playing field, that the nonAQ schools are every inch as good as the AQ schools, perhaps, judging from the 5-1 winning record, better.  I'll say it again, I hope that little Spinny is listening.  Teams like Boise have shown themselves to be better than most AQ schools, not equal to, better.

Nothing against Utah but at that time they were looked at as some crappy team from out west. Bama had zero emotion going into the game which is completely understandable.

No it's not understandable, twodawgs, not to me it isn't.  To me it comes across as a built in excuse for getting their heads handed to them.  Utah physically kicked the crap out of Bama, absolutely dominated them along both the offensive and defensive lines. 

I know losing to Florida in the SEC CG was disappointing, but Bama had 5 weeks to prepare for a the game and most importantly of all it was the SUGAR BOWL!  It was also Bama's first BCS game IN SCHOOL HISTORY!  Are you kidding me?

And how do you take a team that was ranked #7 in both the Coaches and AP polls going into the game lightly?  A team that finished #2 in the AP and #4 in the Coaches.  Because they were a non AQ West coast team?  If that's the case how incredibly ignorant and arrogant on Bama's part!     

Sure, if the Utah/Alabama game was the only one, maybe one could argue a fluke.  But the cold hard facts say otherwise.  In six such games, the nonAQ team has won in five of them! 

The evidence strongly suggests that the best of the nonAQ schools, when given an opportunity to play a top AQ school on a level playing field, that the nonAQ schools are every inch as good as the AQ schools, perhaps, judging from the 5-1 winning record, better.  I'll say it again, I hope that little Spinny is listening.  Teams like Boise have shown themselves to be better than most AQ schools, not equal to, better.

Spot on, smiles.  You can't argue facts.  It's the truth and for many the truth hurts.

And Boise IS THE REAL DEAL.  If you don't believe it just watch them play and see for yourself.  Give it the eye test.  They are ONE of the best teams in the nation.

twodawgs,

I cannot agree.  If Georgia took WVU too lightly, shame on them.  Any freakin idiot could see that WVU was a very good team.   Ditto for Bama.   I get so sick and tired of that whining slobber.  Bama had not been to a BCS bowl in 10 years.  I have seen them and their fans blame everything under the moon for that loss.  The fact is that they got their butts handed to them big time.  If they didn't take the Utes seriously, that is their problem and a result of poor coaching.  Why must folks always make freakin excuses.  We got beat by WVU because they were better than we were than night at least.  And Utah was clearly the better team that night in New Orleans.  Enough with the lame excuses.   

Nothing against Utah but at that time they were looked at as some crappy team from out west. Bama had zero emotion going into the game which is completely understandable.

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No it's not understandable, twodawgs, not to me it isn't.  To me it comes across as a built in excuse for getting their heads handed to them.  Utah physically kicked the crap out of Bama, absolutely dominated them along both the offensive and defensive lines. 

I know losing to Florida in the SEC CG was disappointing, but Bama had 5 weeks to prepare for a the game and most importantly of all it was the SUGAR BOWL!  It was also Bama's first BCS game IN SCHOOL HISTORY!  Are you kidding me?

And how do you take a team that was ranked #7 in both the Coaches and AP polls going into the game lightly?  A team that finished #2 in the AP and #4 in the Coaches.  Because they were a non AQ West coast team?  If that's the case how incredibly ignorant and arrogant on Bama's part!     

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Boise4 it may not be understandable to you but it is to fans like bama (and LSU). These kids were undefeated and geared to win a

NC. They lost a heartbreaker and just never bounced back. They were as flat as flat can be, having seen them when they were "up" I can tell you they were completely slack. It may not seem like it to some people but the Sugar Bowl in a non-championship year is like playing a consolation game in the NCAA basketball tournament. You lost out on the trophy and you have to play in a turd game! Bye the way they dropped those games between the final

4 losers for that reason. Being the first BCS game for bama was nothing. The Auburn game was a bigger deal. Bowl games are all about expectations and motivation. If you are not in the NC game then the team and coach has to have a motivating reason. Bama was done for the year, Utah had pleanty to prove. Don't you think in general Boise plays with a chip on its shoulder in bowl games? The more you have to prove the more you are driven. Again, don't think for a minute being in the Sugar, outback, Cottor or whatever motivates a team after they lose a heartbreaker in the SEC championship. Goals are win the SEC division, win the SEC championship game, play in the NC game and hopefully win it. After that for teams like Bama and LSU anything else is pretty much a nothing game.

Bye the way, I don't think for a minute losing Andre Smith lost the game but what it did was show how little they gave a

s**t about the game. They lost smith, then another lineman got injured. They already had one hurt earlier so basically they were playing with subs. I believe that was Sabins 2nd year or 3rd year. He did not have the horses on the line he has now, 3 hurt now means 3 more move in. In short, it hurt them to lose Smith but Smiths lost was more indicitive on the general attitude of the team. Bama should have beat them but you can't fart around with solid football team like Utah or you will lose.

 SEC fans, for once stand up and take it like men.  Your team was out-coached, out-played, and defeated by a team that WAS BETTER THAN YOU.  To continue to carp, years later, whine, and try to make it all a fluke is way beneath you, twodawgs.

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who is whining? I just said they were flat. Flat as 10 cent pancakes.

Oh please, enough of the whining.  If the greatest coach in college football, Nick Saban, can't get a team of the finest players in America to get up for a game in a national BCS bowl, then what is he doing coaching?  Could it be that they just plain old got beat by a better team?  Oh Lord, can't have that can we?

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well, you are right about one thing. he probably is the best in the game right now. Did he fail and getting his team ready? Without a doubt. Just because you a great coach doesn't mean you don't screw up. How Did Boise lose to

Nevada and who ever else they lost to recently? Clearly they were one of the top 5 teams the last two years. Peterson is a great coach but they lost, why? Expecting to win, not being motivated, undercoached and the other team is up all contributed to their loss. Clearly Boise shoud have been up with the BCS ahead but they didn't win either. Poop happens in college football - you are better and you still lose.

The same must be said for Boise's many high profile victories.  Sure, the 2007 Oklahoma game could be argued as lucky, even though Boise dominated 3/4 of the game, only to see OU make a furious comeback and almost win.  But all of the other big Boise wins have been in games in which they won solidly, leading for most of the game, with solid play on both sides of the ball. 

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I didn't think the OK game was a fluke anymore than this years game with UGA was a fluke. You could argue early that OK didn't think much of having to play Boise but once the game was close if they were that good they should have won.

The evidence strongly suggests that the best of the nonAQ schools, when given an opportunity to play a top AQ school on a level playing field, that the nonAQ schools are every inch as good as the AQ schools, perhaps, judging from the 5-1 winning record, better.  I'll say it again, I hope that little Spinny is listening.  Teams like Boise have shown

themselves to be better than most AQ schools, not equal to, better.

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not nit picking this. I simply don't know which 5 of 6 played except utah-bama.

Omfg I wish much that pathetic excuse for a football team was in the SEC. You pathetIc posers would absolutely get destroyed. Same if you were in the Big 12 or PAC. I wished the BSU AD had the balls to get into a real conference like Utah and TCU has done instead of being a punkass little biatch like Boise always has been.

"And Boise IS THE REAL DEAL.  If you don't believe it just watch them play and see for yourself.  Give it the eye test.  They are ONE of the best teams in the nation."

I watched Noise State against TCU in 2011 and Nevada 2010.  "ONE of the best teams in the nation" have no business losing to them when a shot a the NC or at least a top BCS bowl is on the line.  Moore choked, Peterson choked, all involved choked.  Worse choke than Oklahoma against Noise State.  Big time programs do not lose games to little time Nevada and a depleted TCU squad, especially at home.   

Utah & TCU, two very solid academic institutions quietly took care of business on the field and were rewarded with real AQ invites! 

twodawgs,

I cannot agree.  If Georgia took WVU too lightly, shame on them.  Any freakin idiot could see that WVU was a very good team.   Ditto for Bama.   I get so sick and tired of that whining slobber.  Bama had not been to a BCS bowl in 10 years.  I have seen them and their fans blame everything under the moon for that loss.  The fact is that they got their butts handed to them big time.  If they didn't take the Utes seriously, that is their problem and a result of poor coaching.  Why must folks always make freakin excuses.  We got beat by WVU because they were better than we were than night at least.  And Utah was clearly the better team that night in New Orleans.  Enough with the lame excuses.   

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Big, thats what I said. We ran into West Va and a kid named Pat White that we didn't think were that good. We were unprepared, we did not respect them and they beat us. I don't think its whinny to point out in spite of that we gave them a good game. As for Bama, I don't know if they could have beat Utah on a good day but they sure were not going that day. Don't mistake my saying that unmotivated bowl teams are in for long days with crying about losing. I think this is the first time I ever mentioned WV since the game. They beat us. They were good. On the onther hand we were good too. Thats about it. I also said Sabin (and Richt) failed in gettting the teams ready for the game. Two great coaches but even they don't alwasys get it done.

Spot on, smiles.  You can't argue facts.  It's the truth and for many the truth hurts.

And Boise IS THE REAL DEAL.  If you don't believe it just watch them play and see for yourself.  Give it the eye test.  They are ONE of the best teams in the nation




Yeah right Boise4Life you and other Boise fans should know the truth Hurts sense you can't handle the truth. It might be nice to watch Boise if you could watch them play somebody. I myself would not want to watch them play a creampuff, but would llike to see them play a tough team. But you know you would have to really have to keep you eye open because that only happens once a year.

You're arguing over something that happened over 4 years ago. It's not like it was in the last year or two. For the OU - Boise St game that was over 5 years ago. Think about it? Who cares! Upsets happen. they always will. Sports are an emotional game and some times one team just can'tget into it while the other is sky high. Its not an exact science. Utah beating Bama is not that big surprise considering everything.

I want everyone to remember this please.

  In a related topic I have smiles cornered. In another thread and posts between us he said TCU and Boise were almost identical in their programs so I got all exicted that we get to see TCU get blasted in the Big 12 and we can compare their result for something similiar Boise would do. TCU is going to get their butts handed to them in the Big 12. They are going to find out what it's like to play a pretty decent AQ team basically week after week after week along with 5 to 7 really good ones. Say what you want but time will tell and when TCU becomes a flunkie in the Big 12 I'm coming after smiles with guns a blazing!!! It's a shame that's all we have to go on for Boise since they play no one of their own so we could really prove our point.

We got beat by WVU because they were better than we were than night at least. 

Georgia only lost 38-35. It was a pretty even game and it could have gone either way. It is good to see you man up about it, though. WVU did have a very good team that year but then so did Georgia. It was a great game.

We got beat by WVU because they were better than we were than night at least.

Georgia only lost 38-35. It was a pretty even game and it could have gone either way. It is good to see you man up about it, though. WVU did have a very good team that year but then so did Georgia. It was a great game


It was a great game.  And Georgia made a hell of a comeback, almost pulling it out.  But too many folks this day in age are all about making excuses.  Some times you got to tip the old hat.  I have heard the same nonsense about Boise and Georgia last year.  Boise was better.  They kicked our butts.  At the end of the year, we were better and we probably would have given a better account of ourselves.  But we still probably lose.    

Mimic,
    You act as if changing conferences is as easy as swapping your single wide for a double wide, we ain't in Florida.  BSU has beat TCU and UTAH so what does the conferecne role have to do with it? 

 In a related topic I have smiles cornered. In another thread and posts between us he said TCU and Boise were almost identical in their programs so I got all excited that we get to see TCU get blasted in the Big 12 and we can compare their result for something similar Boise would do. TCU is going to get their butts handed to them in the Big 12.



I don't know BAMATEE TCU isn't no slouch. I think TCU will hold its own, they will dam sure find it harder to win and it won't be like playing in the peewee league like TCU and Boise have been doing for years. I will say one thing i respect TCU for having the BALLS to jump into the big leagues, something imo Boise is hiding from. Boise is just looking for the most money and the EASIEST teams they can find. That is why they have choosen the BE (slash the WAC).

Mimic,
    You act as if changing conferences is as easy as swapping your single wide for a double wide, we ain't in Florida.  BSU has beat TCU and UTAH so what does the conferecne role have to do with it? 



GoNitLion get your hands off that child and head back over to the penn st board where the child Molesters hang out.

GoNitLion get your hands off that child and head back over to the penn st board where the child Molesters hang out.



Not cool on any front, Shel.  This thread needs to die before anyone else embarrasses themselves further.

Not cool on any front, Shel.  This thread needs to die before anyone else embarrasses themselves further.



You don't think so Gator Lass. Well when he stops his private messaging i'll think about not saying things like that.

You don't think so Gator Lass. Well when he stops his private messaging i'll think about not saying things like that.



Shel, I don't know what is being said privately.  And I admit that there are a couple of the Boise guys in this thread that have shown themselves to be as classless as they are ignorant.

Still not sure it warrants commentary that someone is a pedophile.

That's all.