You don't honestly expect me to buy this garbage of an explanation do you? The military option wasn't "only a suggestion". You posited as a viable solution to the problem if they couldn't go to where the work was.

And while you may technically "pay" by your service you're still on the government dole throughout your entire tenure and any subsequent benefits you receive due to that service after you leave. For the rest of your life.

No matter how you want to write it off your solution was to still throw money at the problem, but apparently it's acceptable if you do so and dumb liberal thinking if anyone else does it lol. 

My bad for offering alternatives to their miserable lives...what was I thinking?

I take back all I said...

keep gangbanging, keep having murders daily, keep living in fear...

but, people can quit pissing and moaning about the situation... 

My bad for offering alternatives to their miserable lives...what was I thinking?

I take back all I said...

keep gangbanging, keep having murders daily, keep living in fear...

but, people can quit pissing and moaning about the situation... 

Well, that's one way to keep from having to admit that you're a veritable hypocrite.

Congrats to you and spinelessness.

A recently introduced bill in the Illinois state Senate would require anonymous website comment posters to reveal their identities if they want to keep their comments online.

The bill, called the Internet Posting Removal Act, is sponsored by Illinois state Sen. Ira Silverstein. It[states] that a “web site administrator upon request shall remove any comments posted on his or her web site by an anonymous poster unless the anonymous poster agrees to attach his or her name to the post and confirms that his or her IP address, legal name, and home address are accurate.”

AND... HERE.... WE..... GO....

Finally a common sense approach to the death of this thread since the O'Lovers cannot seem to actually answer a question truthfully.

THIS SITE REALLY SUCKS.

You dont understand capitalism. 

If the Reagan tax cuts tripled revenue, no matter how much more spending congress did......THE CUTS STILL TRIPLED REVENUE. 

JFKs cuts spurred revenue. Bushs cuts spurred revenue because it gave the capital back to the people creating jobs. Without the CLINTON housing bubble we would have probably still been on track. 

But we had to play socialism and PRY the banks with leverage to lend to borrowers that were not worthy of loans. 

Tax cuts raise revenue every time ,60s 80s 00s.  So if we never had the cuts as you suggested there would have never been a boom in the 60s 80s or 00s. 

You just dont get capitalism do you ? 

 I know when they lower the tax rate I hire and produce more jobs which creates more taxes. When the FEDS regulate everything from the grass to the water and raise taxes I have to lay off workers every time. 

More workers more revenue. This imbecile ( Obama the great ) , who never had a real job in his life, nor created one wants to play like he knows something about the economy.

LMFAO****

Communist , knows communism. 

Anyone who argues that lower taxes always raises more revenue is being deliberately obtuse.. Of course there is an equilibrium. Of course other external economic factors come into play. 

Point blank, neither policy is concrete when comparing long/short term gains in revenue. Both are dependent on several other economic factors and governmental policies. 

AS of RIGHT NOW, higher taxes will raise more revenue due to higher income earners finding safer havens to invest/park money that don't spur economic growth due to uncertain costs of governmental policies to be implemented. But at what long term costs? That's why economics is ever changing and not a science, it's more philosophical a lot of times because we're dealing with human action. 

I want less government, less taxes, and more freedom. So my opinion and views will always support those causes. And at some point you have to be honest with yourself and admit revenue is not the issue, when ballooning future deficits CANNOT be covered by tax increases.

If you had a brain you might realize that the US can not possibly achieve a balanced budget without higher taxes.....

SO PICK ONE, FOOL. 

If you had a brain you might realize that the US can not possibly achieve a balanced budget without higher taxes.....

SO PICK ONE, FOOL. 

The one I pick is.......to start by forcing the 47 percent that are leeching this society into a vortex that THEY HAVE TO STEP UP and pay their fair share. MY BACK IS TIRED!

It's not asking alot for the dumb ones .......er......the "less fortunate" ones to do their part.......... is it.................is it?

*Used the figure for arguement sake only. The point is...you, me or the government has no idea how much they make because many are paid in cash...see how it works?

sux, this is a foolish argument.  How can you believe that anyone living here illegally could make more than $30,000 when they are only hired because they will take lower wages than Americans?  Sending even $100 back to their country is a large amount in their country.  These immigrants are not ripping off our country.  They are taking jobs that Americans will not.  Working in the field all day is backbreaking work with little pay.  Blame the business people for hiring them but remember, if the business has to pay more, you will pay more.

So you expect 99 year old Mrs. Smith & 4 year old Booboo to start flippin' burgers?

You live in a freaking trailer park - you posted a picture one time.  It's all of the rest of us paying for your crap. 

good job secfan,

reminds me of when I took Tulsa v E. Michicgan in a past GMAC Bowl , Hurrican won 61-7 with me laying 7. People at the bar where I hang out were starting to get p,o,'d that i didn't let them in on it.

the good ole days, the bookie i used to work with got pinched and takes no action anymore. So i gotta settle for side bets here and there.

 

A recently introduced bill in the Illinois state Senate would require anonymous website comment posters to reveal their identities if they want to keep their comments online.

The bill, called the Internet Posting Removal Act, is sponsored by Illinois state Sen. Ira Silverstein. It[states] that a “web site administrator upon request shall remove any comments posted on his or her web site by an anonymous poster unless the anonymous poster agrees to attach his or her name to the post and confirms that his or her IP address, legal name, and home address are accurate.”

 

AND... HERE.... WE..... GO....

Finally a common sense approach to the death of this thread since the O'Lovers cannot seem to actually answer a question truthfully.

The cowards of the website will have to run and hide like roaches when the light comes on at night.

It's fine by me-  require real names and real photos.  Let the kooks run off. 

Cheney was part of the "Project for the America 21st Century" (?). 

That's pretty close - Project for a New American Century.  My apologies if someone already posted this, and I missed it.

They petitioned Clinton to go to war with Iraq.  Rumsfeld, Wolfiwitz were members. 

Can't forget Scooter "Seriously? No Pardon?" Libbey.

and, oh, how is that obstructionist thing working out? ?? 
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 President Obama's job approval rating is the highest in 3 years:

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Go to North Dakota! There's a Hiring BOOM! Even McDonald's pays $15 an hour!

What is the point of the article?  Given certain conditions, wages will go up.  I hear that wages are high in Antarctica but there is no rush to take them.

It's fine by me-  require real names and real photos.

You'd be fired so fast you couldn't even blink. 

out of context? lol...look at the video and listen to his BS...He was behind the sequester? He led the idea of sequester...again...google and look at unedited video from Nov. 2011...`

Who voted to pass it?  Republicans.  If they had voted against it, there would have been no bill for Obama to sign.  The Republican Party held the debt ceiling raise hostage and Boehner said that he got 98% of what he wanted in the bill.

Without repubs support there would never have been a bill.  Without holding the debt ceiling hostage, there would be no bill.

How hard is it for the right to understand that?

Don't assume they are working for less than min wage...they aren't. Also, they aren't subjected to the same labor laws...such as recognizing a 40 work week. 

Lol, you sure do claim to know a lot illegal labor practices.  How many do you employ?

Here are some stats for you - not as recent as I'd like, but I'm working with what I can find:

The 2007 median household income of unauthorized immigrants was $36,000, well below the $50,000 median household income for U.S.-born residents. In contrast to other immigrants, undocumented immigrants do not attain markedly higher incomes the longer they live in the United States.

[http://www.pewhispanic.org/2009/04/
14/a-portrait-of-unauthorized-immig
rants-in-the-united-states/]


Perhaps you think illegal immigrant income has increased since 2007, but there is little basis for that assumption.  If they made $36k and were held to the 40/hour a week rules, they would earn roughly $17.31/hour.  But like you said, they are not.  That $36k could easily be spread across 50-60 hours a week, especially if they work for farmers.  At 50 hours/week, that comes to $13.85/hour, and at 60/week, comes out to $11.54/hour.  Some admittedly work 70 hours a week - puts that $36k at $9.89/hour.

This number shows that you are right in one regard - they are likely making above minimum wage (at least half of them).  However, that $100k figure you threw out was still incredibly far off, when the median income is $64k short.

and the same ones are standing there in a month? I don't think so...

LOL, lot's of times, yes.  Your attempts to paint all illegal immigrants as being the same, having the same tendencies, operating in the same ways, is not going to work.  There is plenty of available evidence that illegal immigrant families set down roots, and their children go to school in the same district k-12. 

Used the figure for arguement sake only. The point is...you, me or the government has no idea how much they make because many are paid in cash...see how it works?

Problem is, you're wrong...  Some absolutely are paid in cash.  But many are not.  There is a booming fake SSN and ID industry that helps illegals get jobs as W-2 employees.

Here is some more info on the matter:

As the debate over Social Security heats up, the estimated seven million or so illegal immigrant workers in the United States are now providing the system with a subsidy of as much as $7 billion a year.

It is impossible to know exactly how many illegal immigrant workers pay taxes. But according to specialists, most of them do. Since 1986, when the Immigration Reform and Control Act set penalties for employers who knowingly hire illegal immigrants, most such workers have been forced to buy fake ID's to get a job.

Currently available for about $150 on street corners in just about any immigrant neighborhood in California, a typical fake ID package includes a green card and a Social Security card. It provides cover for employers, who, if asked, can plausibly assert that they believe all their workers are legal. It also means that workers must be paid by the book - with payroll tax deductions.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/05/b
usiness/05immigration.html?_r=0

The agency estimates that for 2005, the last year for which figures are available, about $9 billion in taxes was paid on about $75 billion in wages from people who filed W2 forms with incorrect or mismatched data, which would include illegal immigrants who drew paychecks under fake names and Social Security numbers.

Spokesman Mark Hinkle says Social Security does not know how much of the $9 billion can be attributed to illegal immigrants. The number is certainly not 100%, but a significant portion probably comes from taxes paid by illegal immigrants.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/mone
y/perfi/taxes/2008-04-10-immigrants
taxes_N.htm

While the IRS does not have an estimate of how many illegal immigrants pay income tax, it has been issuing ITINs to foreigners without a Social Security number since 1996. Everson told Congress "many illegal aliens, utilizing ITINs, have been reporting tax liability to the tune of almost $50 billion from 1996 to 2003."

Hinkle told the AP that the Social Security and Medicare taxes from mismatched W2s for the same period was $41.4 billion, adding up to about $90 billion in federal taxes during the eight-year period.

These numbers are fairly similar to those that Institute of Taxation and Economic Policy came up with when calculating taxes paid by undocumented immigrants. Their final figure was $11.2 billion in 2010.

http://www.businessinsider.com/how-
illegal-immigrants-pay-taxes-2012-3



You are wrong a number of levels, actually.  Not only do we know that illegal immigrants, in large part, pay taxes, but they do so through the use of an ITIN, that gives the govt their name, address, etc.  The govt could pick these people up any time AND DON'T.

Now why do you think that is?  If you think they aren't interested in all that tax revenue, especially from people with a diminished capacity to get benefit from those taxes (they get some, just less than you or I)(assuming you're not an illegal, lol), I would love to know why...

household income

household income /= individiual income.  At least 2 are going to be working in a household of undocumented making that about $8.50 / hr assuming 40 hours a week worked, which is an assumption.

More likely is that 4+ individuals per household earn $36,000 & work approaching 40 hours a week each.

Boehner said that he got 98% of what he wanted in the bill.

Boehner, Cantor, McCain, Ryan, etc. - They all voted FOR it.