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Bob Feller or Sandy Koufax?

As much as I loved watching Koufax pitch, Hawk, I have to say Feller.  His overall numbers are staggering.  And, he lost four years while serving in the Navy during WWII.  Even so, he still posted a 266-162 record, 3.25 ERA, and 2,581 strikeouts.  In 1946 alone he threw 36 complete games.  No pitch counts in that era.  And, an amazing 279 complete games in his career.

Feller was an eight time All-Star, and a World Series champ in 1951.

He still holds or shares several MLB records, including being the only pitcher to toss a no hitter on opening day.


 
Koufax was just as awesome in his own right, but with his career shortened by injury, just 12 seasons, his final numbers tend to pale against Feller's.

Still, would love to have both of them on my team. 



Rok

Thanks, I found this web site that sells tshirts of the old time guys like these two, check it out:  http://old-school-shirts.com/

Bob Feller is from Van Meter, Iowa so he has a special place in my heart, but I have always been fascinated by Sandy Koufax as well.  I might have to get 2 shirts, this is likely my father's day present which is great with me. 

Koufax did throw one more no hitter than Feller though as I recall, 4-3.

koufax did it for a short while. feller did it his whole career.

hawk-give us some more pitching or hitting debates of who you would want to have...

here's one-ted williams vs joe dimaggio..? wow.

to me williams in a walk. did way more than joe without a hall of fame team built around him.

Get two t-shirts, Hawk.  Only way to solve your dilemna buddy.  LOL

Yeah, Koufax got the fourth no hitter to out pace Feller, but like Catfish said, the entire body of work far outweighs Sandy.


Rok 

I would take Teddy Ballgame over Joltin Joe myself, but I know Ted went into the service as well, not sure on Joe.  Ted would have had 4 more years too I think and those final numbers would have been nuts. 

Here's a basketball one, Magic or Bird?  I never liked Magic, feel he started the whole palming issue we have in bball today and he travelled a lot and got away with it.  Bird is more the blue collar guy who just worked his butt off while Magic had style.  If you said to me, go have dinner with one of these guys, I would likely pick Magic though.  Player wise, I go with Bird though.

Magic or Bird?

I'd go with Bird, of course.  Nothing against Magic, Hawk.  Great player, hands down.  However, Bird was a salvation for my Celtics throughout his career.  Also, everything you said.  He worked his tail off,



Rok 

Here's one: George Brett or Robin Yount?

Feller was an eight time All-Star, and a World Series champ in 1951.

Uh, RoK . . .

I believe Bob Feller retired as a Cleveland Indian.  The last World Series won by them was in 1948. 

yanks won i believe 4 straight and one was in 51.

hawk-joe d did serve in WWII as did Williams BUT Williams served and almost died in Korea! He was landing his plane on an aircraft carrier and it turned over and caught fire and almost died. Most of the ball players had desk jobs Ted was a real hero and was a fighter pilot so he missed 6 yrs over Joe's 4. They did an estimate of lost HRs over his time and he around 710.

magic vs bird-bird's bad back leads me to think magic and his 5 rings. magic was  the circus king on the court. bird was a team guy, but his back hurt his career, longevity and stats.

brett vs yount. tough call. brett is the only man to win the triple crown in 3 different decades. and he hit .390 in 1980. yount pulled off the rare feat of winning 2 mvps at 2 different positions - ss/of. both have over 3000 hits and brett has the gold gloves and ws title. if i needed a hit in the 9th - brett. if i needed to draft one guy - push both are fine.  can't do no wrong with either.

wait on that Catfish, Brett never won the triple crown, nor has anyone since Yaz in 1967...unless you mean a different triple crown other HR, RBI and AVG. 

I was a Brett fan as a kid, but having seen him off the field and knowing his personality, I lean towards Yount.  That's what is hard, cause if you say talent, it's Brett to me, but the whole package since of my unique situation, I go with Yount.

Here's a funny one, Mark McGwire or Sammy Sosa?

How about Elway vs Marino?  One has a ring, one doesn't yet I still think Marino threw a better ball.

A little more on the Koufax Feller:   Sandy Koufax was the most recent to capture three pitching Triple Crowns, winning his three within four seasons for the Los Angeles Dodgers (1963, 1965–1966); all of Koufax' wins were Major League crowns, the most for any player.  Feller had one Triple Crown in 1940.

Pitching is a bit easier to achieve as 2 guys did it last year, Kershaw and Verlander:  ERA, Wins and K

Ted Williams won it twice for hitting as did Rogers Hornsby, the only 2 guys to do it twice.

Uh, RoK...


I believe Bob Feller retired as a Cleveland Indian.  The last World Series won by them was in 1948.

LMAO!!!  Absolutely right you are, Lyman.  My bad.  I've answered the age old question though of "What Goes First"...the eyes. 

Sorry to have brought up the Indians futility since that last title in '48.  Look on the bright side though...they've won it since the Cubs have! 




Rok

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Rok 

jesus christ hawk-freaking mr. perfect! you ruined my day with your nonsense and you couldn't even correct my mistake. brett won the batting title in 3 different decades. no one ever has done that.

how many triple crowns has clemens won? find it hard to believe koufax has 3 and no one else in the latter half of the 20th century matched him. and yeah he won 3 in his 5 prime years of playing baseball. don't forget his arm was mush and he was in the hall of fame in his 30's! so yeah his prime was dominent. he lasted as long as the edsel and pinto!

mcgwire-sosa. mcgwire. mcgwire was a college and olympic star and still has the rookie HR record at 49. sosa was a nobody for multiple teams and was traded for george bell once. his stats are *** across the board. mcgwire's stats are *** past 1997. give me mcgwire from 87-95 over sosa.

and hawk--since you wanna be a huge arse - 2 players won the batting triple crown and still didn't win the league mvp! now talk about getting robbed!

marino had 2 cocaine receivers, no running game and a hall of fame coach who was old and past his prime. give marino any talent and wow, could he have been so much better. elway got blown out in 2 superbowls and won 2 bc of terrell davis and a great wr core of rod smith, edmccafferty and shannen sharpe. give marino that and he wins 2 rings in a walk. to me it's a push bc elway won with a great team and couldn't win with a decent team in the sb's in the 80's. marino had no one sober or of value and if he did, he gets his ring but still has all the records until pansies favre stayed to beat every record he had.

here's a tough one-stan musial - hank aaron

and hawk-when brett speaks on camera, you can tell he's a harda$$ kind of guy. now i hope he doesn't shun kids for autographs etc, but he seems like a real hardas$$! any good stories about him ?

hey, not trying to be mr perfect, but I have to stick up for my team as a Red Sox fan cause we still claim the last triple crown.  But, I agree with you on the batting avg in 3 different decades.

The Mac Sosa one was kind of a joke, but for all the reasons you posted Catfish, I agree Mac in a landslide.

Brett, well I think he falls into the same category that a lot of athletes, guys who have more talent than brains, fall into, saw it with Johnny Damon too.  They get this ego that just takes over and folks fawn on them and how great they are and how cool they are, etc.  Similar to rock stars (Gene Simmons comes to mind) and they forget they are only people and what they are doing is, in the end, not really that important to the world at large. 

There are tons of stories about Brett trolling for women in Westport and the Plaza in KC and how he was mr playboy back in his day.  He eventually got married and had kids and when I lived in KC, I did hear some story on him cheating, but by and large I think he settled down when his kids were born.  However, the ego never left, at the ballpark when I was there first week, we saw him and a veteran in the front office just said he was a jerk and do not try to talk to him cause we, as normal employees, were beneath him even though we were busting our butts to get folks in the seats and his era was over. 

The only story I have personally is I accidentally opened the door on him and hit him in the arm, not hard, but hit him, had no idea he was on the other side.  The other time was in the food line before a game and just said excuse me to him and he nodded at me.  He never said a word to me and I must have seen him 20 times over the summer in some fashion. 

Frank White though, he was a guy who treated everyone as special.  Buck O Neill the same.  Buck was a true celebrity and I rode the elevator with him several times and he talked to everyone and asked how you were doing and it was cool to hear him tell you a story.

since 1970, the pitchers who have won the triple crown are:

1972 Carlton
1985 Gooden
1997 Clemens
1998 Clemens
1999 Pedro Martinez
2002 Randy Johnson
2006 Johan Santana
2007 Jake Peavy
2011 Kershaw NL Verlander AL

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_
League_Baseball_Triple_Crown

thanks hawk/. as a 3000+ hitter, you are special, but my brother is a Doctor and his college roommate played in the minors and majors as a reliever and starter for 5 or 6 yrs. Joe never saw the allure of why fans like me loved athletes but no one cared that he put himself through med school etc.

brett is one of the all-time greats, but he shouldn't be a jerk about it. the one thing he said that was odd was his older brother ken was far more talented than he was and played in the majors but never made it far whereas george is a hall of famer. odd.

the thing is eric heiden won 5 gold medals at lake placid in speed skating. what did he do after he couldn;'t skate anymore? he went to med school and is now a surgeon. only a handful of gifted people can be a pro athlete. many people go to med or law school. my brother refuses to see the importance of atheletics over medicine, but is a sports fan.

yogi berra or johnny bench ! tough one.

yeah I agree, the gifts it takes to hit or throw a baseball at that elite level is insane.  I read a quote that said a lot of minor league players that never make it are just as good as anyone in the show, but the thing is they can only do some things 9 our of 10 times while major leaguers can do it 99 out of 100 so that consistency and focus plus talent is what makes them special.  Then you get the more elite guys in teh HOF and that's just it, I can play baseball, but not at that level. 

I can go to school and learn to be a doctor and then I can do the same thing a million or more other doctors do, diagnose and prescribe, vs athletically, I can't hit a 90 mph baseball, I might be able to after months of practice, but can I do it in a stadium full of thousands after a road trip? 

Bench vs Berra is hard cause they are 2 different eras.  I would go with Bench cause he was a more pivotal player on the big red machine than Berra was.  Berra had better overall teams that he was on.

So this one is just for you Catfish, both Michael Pare films from the 80's that my wife and I were talking about:  Streets of Fire or Eddie and the Cruisers?